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What is this logo?

Postby Mjolinor » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:33 am

Does anyone recognise this logo?

Possibly French.
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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Bav » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:47 am

Could it be Aemacchi?


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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:47 am

Nope, drawing a blank on that one... I did think of Aermacchi... they did use a number of logos but I can't find any indication of one that looked anything like that. I also thought of 'AJS/Matchless' but their logo consisted the letters AJS superimposed on a letter M. In any case, that casting looks way to old for that ill fated collaboration. What's the context, presumably it's on a bike engine casting?

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby CharlieVictor » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:49 am

Looks like AMC or a combination of those letters... Doesn't ring any bell even with old pre war French brands... I suppose you don't have a pic of the whole machine?
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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Mjolinor » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:59 am

I think it is an AMC engined "New Map", old French manufacturer but not sure. I can't find another the same with Google.

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Bav » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:05 pm

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:13 pm

There have been at least two motorcycle firms using the initials AMC.

One was Associated Motor Cycles (later Amalgamated Motor Cycles) a holding company that owned Matchless, AJS, Norton, James, Francis-Barnett, Sunbeam etc. I don't think any bikes were ever produced under the AMC name and I can't find a logo for them.

The other was a French company, which sounds a lot more hopeful. They didn't produce bikes but did produce engines used by about 40 different bike manufacturers. The engines were, I think, small 4 strokes between 98cc and 250cc. They would appear to have been in production between 1953 and 1960. The only problem is that the logo bears no resemblance to the one in the photo. Of course it may be that the casting mark was different to the normal logo.

Another poossibility would be 'Automoto', a French make that existed between 1901 and 1962. In 1931 it became part of Peugeot. They did manufacture their own engines but also used a series of bought in ones including some from AMC. Again the logo I'm seeing isn't like the one in your photo.

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:23 pm

Try this for size...
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New Map - CT175 AMC - 175 cc - 1955

New Map luxury model C175 C4T, 175cc AMC engine with 4-speed gearbox, foot and hand selector, French registration: DH-017-KM (1st registration): ...

Also a number of other models with AMC engines...

See here https://cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/new-map.htm

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Take a look about halfway down the referred page... could well be the same machine you're looking at...

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Re: What is this logo?

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Re: What is this logo?

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Mjolinor » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:50 pm

Well that question is conclusively answered. :)

Thin push rod tube, I wonder if it is a shaft with an overhead cam. It would be the oldest overhead cam I have ever seen I think.

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Postby DEEP DIVER » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:53 pm

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby DEEP DIVER » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:56 pm

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Mjolinor » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:00 pm

Interesting that they use a shaft like the Desmos and not a chain.

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Bav » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:07 pm

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:42 pm

Accorfing to Wikipedia, the first OHC engine was the 1902 Maudsley, made in the UK. The BMW RS Rennsport racing machine introduced in 1935 was DOHC and supercharged. There's nothing new in the world!

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Mjolinor » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:14 pm

For the most part this sentence can be filled with any blank:

The first _____ was made in the UK in _____. :)

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby DEEP DIVER » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:10 pm

For the most part this sentence can be filled with any blank:

The first _____ was made in the UK in _____. :)
True.
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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:21 pm

For the most part this sentence can be filled with any blank:

The first _____ was made in the UK in _____. :)
True.
Incidentally, the first bevel driven overhead camshaft was Maudsley again in 1908 and the first bike I can find reference to was the Velocette 'K' series in 1925. About the only manufacturer that I can find who uses it now is Ducati, both for conventional and Desmodromic systems.

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby keiththeoutfitter1 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:40 pm

Kawasaki still use bevel drives in the W800, I believe
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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:31 pm

Kawasaki still use bevel drives in the W800, I believe
Apologies, you're right. I thought the W800 was discontinued but that's clearly not the case...

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Re: What is this logo?

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:39 pm

For the most part this sentence can be filled with any blank:

The first _____ was made in the UK in _____. :)
You could substitue Russia, China or , yes, the USA for UK in that statement (and indeed, just about any other country of your choice). Very few ideas are totally new and, if you look hard enough, you can normally find something that works on the same principle before the accepted 'first'. History has a nasty habit of being written by people who don't really research properly and who wish to make a point, whether it be 'Nice and Accurate' or not.

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