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Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby CharlieVictor » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:44 am

I'm always surprised at how classic bike sellers will try to make their decades-old steeds "original mileage" a positive selling argument.
And buyers will brag about the perfect, original 7500 miles R80/7 they just got ! :-k

As far as I'm concerned:

- At best it's suspicious. Back in the 60s and 70s, when men were men :grin: , bikes were often the sole mean of transportation for their owners. So they ate miles after miles.

- Low mileage (less than say, 35000 miles) for a 40+ year old bike, is either true or false.
If it's false, the bike has been tampered with. Walk away.
If it's real, it can mean one of two things:
1) the bike was a piece of shit and the owner, fed up and having run out of warranty, tossed it in the shed never to be used again (known nowadays as "barn find"). Most Meriden and Harris Triumphs are a good example: you can hardly find one with more than 10000 miles!
Or 2) the bike spent more time sitting than being ridden, which is certainly odd but not impossible, AND will certainly require some serious (and costly) work anyway if the plan is to ride her regularly.

Excessively low mileage is not a good point on a 45 year old bike, me thinks.
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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby Mjolinor » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:52 am

It is not a good point on any vehicle. All my life I have deliberately bought high mileage vehicles.

It is not something that one should talk about. There are two fallacies that allow people like me to afford to run a car.

1) High mileage cars are not worth buying.
2) You should sell it before it starts costing you money.

These were put in place by sensible people early last century. It seems that the general public are never going to latch on which is OK by me.

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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby windmill john » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:20 pm

It drives me bonkers when you take your bike to a dealer for a PX and they say ooh the mileage is a bit high!

Yes, I say, I ride it....

Happened to me again a week or so back when I went to PX against a 500 Classic. Actually bought it privately in the end, as the dealer messed me about.
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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby george baker » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:12 pm

Hi
what messes with my head is
when you take your bike to a dealer to sell they say--rare model, no one wants these, so can only offer you a low price

BUT when you go to a dealer to buy they say--rare model, everyone wants these, so that's why it's a high price

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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:17 pm

Hi
what messes with my head is
when you take your bike to a dealer to sell they say--rare model, no one wants these, so can only offer you a low price

BUT when you go to a dealer to buy they say--rare model, everyone wants these, so that's why it's a high price

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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby andys » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:33 am



Excessively low mileage is not a good point on a 45 year old bike, me thinks.
So many riders are terrified of bikes that have been used
I have a friend who won't touch anything with more than 10,000 miles no matter how old it is.
Seems to me using your bike for its intended purpose is a cardinal sin.

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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby windmill john » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:01 am

I can’t afford it, but I can understand getting a new bike and changing it every two to three years. You’ll never see an MOT, you’ll never see proper rust, corroded wiring, bad earths etc.
If you are not into maintenance or need to know how things work, that could be quite nice.

Well I might be able to afford it if I went down to one bike :grin:
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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby andys » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:26 am

Buying new is a mugs game and I speak as someone who has bought several new bikes.
That said it's worth remembering that if we all thought this way, we wouldn't have all these nice used bikes to choose from.

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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby Mjolinor » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:09 am

Buying new is a mugs game and I speak as someone who has bought several new bikes.
That said it's worth remembering that if we all thought this way, we wouldn't have all these nice used bikes to choose from.
But we would be able to buy new at a reasonable price then so no need for used ones.

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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby gogs01 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:56 am

But we would be able to buy new at a reasonable price then so no need for used ones.
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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby Mjolinor » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:46 am

If no one buys new then prices will drop to a level where people will buy.

It is way more complex than that. The government control it ultimately so that the sales are at a level that guarantees employment but sales not so high that everyone can afford it. It's a proper can of worms and thankfully it is SEP, not mine.

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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby CharlieVictor » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:11 pm

I can’t afford it, but I can understand getting a new bike and changing it every two to three years. You’ll never see an MOT, you’ll never see proper rust, corroded wiring, bad earths etc.
If you are not into maintenance or need to know how things work, that could be quite nice.

Well I might be able to afford it if I went down to one bike :grin:
Rethorically yes, but my original post and assertion referred to classic motorcycles, several decades old, not merely "used bikes" :wink:

A relatively recent bike with low mileage does make sense and then low mileage IS indeed a strong sales argument. My point was that on an old steed, it's a red flag. :-k
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Re: Low Mileage As A Sales Argument

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:17 pm

I wopuldn't even take mileage into account if I was buying a bike say more than 10 years old. a) it's probably not correct anyway. b) many parts are likely to have been replaced and c) it gives no account of how the bikes has been used or looked after. Any second hand machine has it's risks, I believe you ned to look on an older machine as something that is going to need work and money spent. If you're wrong in thinking that, it comes as a pleasant surprise.

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