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Data protection

Postby andys » Wed May 16, 2018 2:54 pm

I'm being bombarded with emails regarding new data protection laws coming into effect 25th this month.
It seems they need my permission to keep my information on file.
Will these new laws affect forums such as this ?

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Re: Data protection

Postby boxerman » Wed May 16, 2018 3:22 pm

I doubt it as most forum software encypts everything anyway. Having said that, as of today, we are also using HTTPS encryption.

Plus everyone has voluntarily signed up to be here.
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Re: Data protection

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Wed May 16, 2018 5:54 pm

It has absolutely nothing to do with encryption or web security it is all about the retention of personal data. It's not even limited to data stored on computers... it effects data stored on paper as well. It is relevant to anyone (and I mean anyone) who stores personal data in a recoverable form. It also relates to how you collect the information and what you tell the subject when you collect it. If you haven't done so before, you would be very wise to take a look at this:- https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/gu ... rotection/.

For a voluntary forum like this one, the effects will probably be quite minimal but you are still liable to the legislation. I can't imagine anyone will be busting a gut to check up on small organisations like this but it only takes one complaint.

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Re: Data protection

Postby boxerman » Wed May 16, 2018 7:45 pm

It has absolutely nothing to do with encryption or web security it is all about the retention of personal data.
Precisely my point, Rob. Any personal data is encrypted and not accessible to anyone.
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Re: Data protection

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Wed May 16, 2018 10:10 pm

I'm sorry, Phil... you're missing the point. You maintain the database, you have access if no one else does and that makes you liable under the legislation. The fact that the data is encrypted is good but it doesn't exempt you from certain requirements under either the DPA or GDPR. For your own safety you need to do a Data Assesment and make yourself aware of the implications. Don't take my word for it, please, please check the ico site...

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Re: Data protection

Postby boxerman » Wed May 16, 2018 10:21 pm

you have access if no one else does
I have no more access than anyone else - all apart from user name and email address is encrypted and inaccessible to anyone. Realistically, very little info is asked for and stored but what is is not accessible to anyone including Admin.
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Re: Data protection

Postby Mark Esposito » Wed May 16, 2018 11:28 pm

I doubt it as most forum software encypts everything anyway. Having said that, as of today, we are also using HTTPS encryption.

Plus everyone has voluntarily signed up to be here.
Hi Phil,

I don't know if it's related, but today I can't access the forum via Tapatalk.

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Re: Data protection

Postby Mark Esposito » Wed May 16, 2018 11:45 pm

I don't think I can do it, I think Tapatalk have to do it.

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Re: Data protection

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Thu May 17, 2018 12:04 am

Sorry Mark, I deleted my post about the HTTP and the HTTPS being the cause just after posting as I tried using http://www.bmbikes.org.uk and it worked OK.

I don't know if it would affect the Tapatalk operation.

I used to use Tapatalk but found it was easier and quicker just to use the 'Quick Links/Unread Posts' in the forum Header.
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Re: Data protection

Postby Mark Esposito » Thu May 17, 2018 12:08 am

Hi Cedric,
If I click that link, it automatically converts to Https.


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Re: Data protection

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Thu May 17, 2018 9:43 am

you have access if no one else does
I have no more access than anyone else - all apart from user name and email address is encrypted and inaccessible to anyone. Realistically, very little info is asked for and stored but what is is not accessible to anyone including Admin.
Ok Phil, I'm not ngoing to hark on about it, just point out that:
  1. An email address is personal information as defined by DPA and
  2. it's the fact that data is stored that makes for liability under DPA and GDPR not how it is stored, it's accesibility or who has access.
Your choice but I'd still strongly recommend that you make sure.

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Re: Data protection

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Thu May 17, 2018 9:44 am

Hi Mark,

Yes, that was what made me delete my
post.
I thought at first it was maybe the cause of the Tapatalk failure but had second thoughts.

When I used Tapatalk I seem to remember having to set it to the required forum address when setting it up to work on different forums.
I don't think that the http/https adresss part was required though.
Maybe it doesn't work with https encrypted forums - wait and see if others report the same problem.

You might try setting up Tapatalk again and see if it fixes the problem.
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Re: Data protection

Postby Mark Esposito » Thu May 17, 2018 12:37 pm

Thanks Ced,

I use Tapatalk on many devices, I can't access this forum via Tapatalk on any of them, I tried to reset Tapatalk and search this forum and login but it's exactly the same.

I suppose I'll have to wait until Tapatalk sort it out, it gives the message " network problem try again later"

It's a pain but not the end of the world !

My other forums are all functioning so I'm sure it's a address issue.

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Re: Data protection

Postby Mark Esposito » Thu May 17, 2018 12:51 pm

I've sent a email to Tapatalk regarding this issue.
Now I'll have to wait and see what can be done.

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Re: Data protection

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Thu May 17, 2018 1:13 pm

I've sent a email to Tapatalk regarding this issue.
Now I'll have to wait and see what can be done.

Mark

Let us know what they say Mark.
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Re: Data protection

Postby andys » Thu May 17, 2018 2:46 pm

MCN had a massive very popular forum that they recently closed down without any warning.
No explanation was given.
I wonder if it had something to do with these new laws.
As has been said, an email address and location does come under the heading of personal information.

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Re: Data protection

Postby Mark Esposito » Fri May 18, 2018 3:04 pm

So far no reply from Tapatalk and I still can't access the forum using Tapatalk on any of my devices.

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Re: Data protection

Postby boxerman » Fri May 18, 2018 3:23 pm

So far no reply from Tapatalk and I still can't access the forum using Tapatalk on any of my devices.
Don't hold your breath on getting a reply. TapaTalk has a rubbish reputation and whilst they have an app that (sort of) works on here it's not approved because they can't be bothered to build the app well enough to get approval - I only really installed it as so many asked for it but it has frequently givem problems. The latest version is installed so there's little I can do.

I suspect that, as more and more sites begin to use HTTPS they will have to look at the issue in due course if they wish to survive but that could take some time.

If folk want me too I will search around and see if there's another app out there that may work - just let me know.
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Re: Data protection

Postby Ruralman » Fri May 18, 2018 5:49 pm

Hi All,
I also use Tapatalk to access the forum and it used to work well enabling access to the forum anywhere, hopefully Tapatalk will sort out the problem.
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Re: Data protection

Postby boxerman » Fri May 18, 2018 7:40 pm

According to the forum all is well but just for the hell of it I uninstalled and downloaded new files that are now installed - again, forum appears to think all is well. I logged into the TapaTalk account and, whilst it recognises that it's running HTTPS it simply says that it can't access.

I've since recieved a mail from TapaTalk suggesting I install the App as a lot of folk have complained!!. I can only see one of two possibilities:
1) There software simply isn't secure enough to read HTTPS
2) The latest software is corrupt.

I'll throw it back at them and see what happens but I think you're all going to need to be patient.
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Re: Data protection

Postby boxerman » Fri May 18, 2018 8:34 pm

Could someone please try it now and post results? I have a feeling I've fixed it!
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Re: Data protection

Postby Ruralman » Fri May 18, 2018 8:42 pm

Hi Phil,
Tapatalk is working fine now.
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Re: Data protection

Postby boxerman » Fri May 18, 2018 8:48 pm

Thanks, Keith. That's the 2nd confirmation so hopefully all is now well.

I've spent bloody hours on this and as a last ditch attempt I changed a base setting on the TapaTalk site. TT has always been linked to www.bmbikes.org.uk/Forums which is the layout within my server but what I hadn't considered is that the SSL certificate is linked to just the base domain i.e. without the /Forum - I removed the /Forum and instantly showed no problems..
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Re: Data protection

Postby Mark Esposito » Fri May 18, 2018 9:51 pm

Hi Phil,

Many thanks for your hard work sorting this out.
Tapatalk is very useful to me as I'm hardly ever near a pc and struggle to read the forum via a browser on a phone.

It's much appreciated.

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Re: Data protection

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Fri May 18, 2018 10:10 pm

Well done Phil! :smile:
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